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seemed to be more full than they should be near the finish line. they're looking at a lot of photos. they say they just want to talk to these people. but that is the very latest that we have. they're looking at pictures of congregated groups of men to try to ask those questions. we'll be back here live at 11:00. in the meantime, though, "ac360" starts right now. >> thanks very much. good evening, everyone. as erin said, breaking news tonight on two fronts. late word from two federal law enforcement officials that there is an arrest in connection, as erin said, with the poison letters sent to the u.s. [ male announcer ] purpose elevates what we do. raises it to a more meaningful place. makes us live what we do, love what we do and fills our work with rewarding possibility. president and the u.s. senator. new developments as well in the bombing case to tell you about. and obviously, it has been a roller coaster day for people here, emotionally and in terms of the facts of the story, it is not over yet. a short time ago, the fbi, again, postponed a news briefing that was originally pushed back from the 5:00 hour. it was supposed to be then at the top of the 8:00 hour. we don't know why this has been pushed back. we hope to learn more throughout the hour. first, though, we want to check in with joe johns, on the deadly poison letter arrest. aarp connects you to a community of experienced workers and has tools to help you find what you're good at. an ally for real possibilities. aarp. go to
joe, you have some news on the arrest. what are you hearing, what is the latest? >> reporter: anderson, this is an individual from tupelo, mississippi, we're told, the home state of senator roger wicker. actually, his hometown, as well. he's one of the people who got one of the mailings. we know of two suspicious letters, a lot of confusion at the united states capitol today. a mail delivery to the capitol has been stopped, while authorities try to figure all of it out. of the suspicious letters that were field tested, and initially deemed positive, one was addressed to the white house. another, an earlier letter, as i said, addressed to senator wicker. these are only field tests, false-positives are known to occur. according to law enforcement authorities, anderson, both of the letters were detected at an off site facility. authorities say there was a message contained in the letters. that message said, "to see a wrong and not expose it is to become a silent partner to its continuance."
both letters we're told signed "i'm kc and i approve this message." the letters have been sent to labs for testing. there had been ricin false-positives in the past. anderson? >> joe, last night we were told one of the letters was addressed from memphis, tennessee, postmark from memphis, tennessee. obviously, no return address on that letter. do we know how authorities were able to zero in on this particular suspect so quickly? was it somebody who had sent letters in the past and were somehow known to them? >> anderson, it's not at all clear right now, at least to us. we do know that throughout this day, authorities had suggested to some of us off the record that they may have been closing in on a suspect. so it's been clear to us for a while now that they were looking at someone, why and how we haven't been able to determine just yet. >> joe, i appreciate all of the update. now let's go to the bombing investigation here. it has been quite a day, as as we reported at the top of
my colleagues, john king and susan candiotti, drew griffin know. start with drew at the hotel ballroom, just upstairs from us where the fbi has again delayed a press briefing. drew, all day no press briefing. was supposed to be this afternoon at 5:00, kept getting pushed back and then they said 8:00. and now we're being told likely not going to happen tonight. do we know why? >> reporter: we know absolutely nothing. we've been waiting all day for this, as you said. and just a few minutes ago, steve mcdonald with the boston the hour, the fbi cancelled the news briefing tonight on the terror investigation after postponing it earlier in the day. also, new pictures tonight from a slightly different angle and time than this one of the second blast. they showed the suspicious package in question in a different location moved from the other photograph. the question is, as we continue to look at these new photos what are they telling investigators, are they significant. we frankly do not know the answer to that question. cnn analysts, former fire department came out and announced that there will be no press conference here. that they're vacating this hotel, and he had no idea when the next news conference will be. he was just the messenger. he had no explanation as to what was going on or why or why there wasn't going to be any kind of news conference at all. so we're just kind of left with speculating on what that means. are they so close they don't need the public's help? are they too far away they don't have the information they want massachusetts homeland security director with extensive experience, obviously, investigating terror attacks like this one. juliet, first of all, what do you make of where things stand now and what happened? >> well, there's been a lot of cancelled press conferences. so that doesn't happen for nothing. so you have to assume that there are discussions between the boston police and the fbi about what they can go forward with. and so that is basically what's happening. so we just have to wait to see what the comfort level is in terms of what they know and sharing with the public.
the to give to the public? anderson, we just don't know. >> or they are just so busy they don't have time to do it, which, frankly, i think for most people would be just fine, as long as it means the investigation is moving forward. john, let's talk about obviously the up and down day that occurred. obviously, major miscommunication, a number of sources saying a suspect had been arrested. first of all, what happened? what are you hearing on the late latest? >> what i'm hearing on the latest, i believe they made and people have to understand, they don't hide things because they don't want you to know. there is an ongoing investigation. and there may be someone that they have targeted, that they need to get. and so part of this is just the natural delays of any investigation, and we have to be patient. i think it's -- >> reporters like news conferences. but citizens want justice. and i think that's important. >> the differing motivations. so every federal, state and local agency have been in these rooms, wants the same thing, significant progress today, based on video analysis that started late last night into the evening and overnight. the bulk of, i'm told, came from surveillance cameras at the lord and taylor department store, supplementary evidence provided by a boston television station and going through even additional video. and i'm told they are very, very settled on the fact they have identified somebody, making a placement at the second explosion site which is directly across the street from the lord and taylor. that -- they were confident about this morning. and enhanced that video where they said they had a very good which is for justice to be served and for someone to be found. but their motivations may be a little bit different. so boston is, you know, the victimized city, the boston police want to get someone. the fbi may be looking more forward towards the prosecution and preserving evidence. there is just different motivations. one is not good and one is not bad. it's just that's why you have different government agencies coming together to try to get this person. i think the delays mean, or i know the delays mean that there
facial on a potential suspect in the investigation. from there, there was some miscommunication, and frankly, there was misreporting. we were told by a federal official, an arrest had been made. i received word from a boston official similar to that effect. one reported that the suspect had been brought to the federal courthouse here in boston. this information coming from at least, in our case, i know at cnn, sources that have been trustworthy and reliable in the past. but clearly, they were not in this case. and we reported that information and were responsible for that. are advances in the investigation. how far advanced is something that we'll just wait for. and what we all want to do is ruin -- we don't want to ruin the investigation. >> and tom, obviously the public is in a bit of a holding pattern, waiting for authorities to kind of share what information they can share. and i think people are very understanding that there are some things that can be shared and some things that cannot be shared. where -- where do you think the law enforcement will come out in terms of releasing the information, releasing whatever personally responsible for everything i say on television. you're only as good as your sources. the question is why. something was afoot today. there are really was a break it is through, but some officials clearly got out ahead of themselves, because we have governor patrick standing nearby. he says one of the questions was is this a semantics breakdown, is somebody being questioned or is somebody in custody but had not been arrested, and what we are told tonight is no. none of those things are true. yes, they believe they have identified at least one lead suspect, placing at the second site with video analysis. pictures they have to try to enlist the public's help? because yesterday they were very clear about appealing to the public for help, for information. where do you think they are now? >> well, i think, anderson, yesterday they made that appeal for help, and then in the interim got help, and now they're trying to gohr a ton of information, looking at the videos, hearing all of the reports they've got, interviews now with witnesses and especially as some of the people that were being treated in the hospital, now have been treated and can now make statements
but based on what we're being told now, both publicly and my sources privately, no one in custody. no one being questioned and no one in sort of the never neverland where police sometimes bring you and have a conversation with you. the fact we've had no briefing all day is rather curious. >> so again, just to be absolutely clear, because i think the word "identified somebody", they don't -- they have no identity of the -- this person. they have a picture. is that -- >> that's a question. that's a question. there was confidence by investigators, they clearly have about what they saw when they were standing next to or in front of the bomb or behind the bomb. so now they're getting really information of value that they can act on. and that makes it harder, actually, for the commanders to take time out to go into a meeting for an hour, have a big discussion, who is going to say what. i'm how much should we give, how much should we release to help the public know what's going on, but at the same time, not release information that jeopardizes the strategy and potential success of identifying a picture that they have enhanced and they have somebody who they believe delivered that backpack to the second explosive site there. whether they have taken it to the next step and they actually know the individual by name, by location, that is information i don't know at this point. no one has said that. i was told they are very confident. they have identified the placement, the drop of the second explosion, explosive device. but from there, our -- we're just waiting to hear more from investigators. >> susan candiotti, a lot of focus on the pictures and videos. and apprehending subjects in this case. so i think that -- i don't know, a personal observation on my part, it might be time for the commanders to designate some information officers to come out and maybe do a periodic briefing of just basic things. and not have to tie them up personally for several hours, because these take a long time to prepare for, and they're just frankly too busy, and there are too many urgent decisions that need to be made to keep tying them up, doing these press conferences.
what are you hearing? >> remember throughout the day yesterday, we were showing a photograph of an object of some kind and it was in front of one of the barricades and this is before the blast. and we were trying to piece together what was that. could that have been the device. well, tonight we have a brand-new photograph that was taken about an hour before that. these photographs provided to us by a man who was -- whose wife was running in the marathon, and he was watching her. and that's when he snapped this photograph. the difference being that an >> tom, i keep coming back to the olympic park bombing, which you were deeply involved with. they had -- because of richard jewels' ability to actually spot the device, call over law en forssment, they had trained officers who looked at the device, got eyes on it before it explode and had were able to evac sate the area to some degree. and that investigation still took months, as we have talked about, even though they got eyes on the device before it exploded. the difference this time around hour earlier, that same object, who knows what it was, was inside that barricade. not outside, like that earlier photo that we saw provided to us by a local television station here. so the question, of course, is could that have been the bomb device. we don't have the answer for that tonight. but it's interesting to note, the movement of that object. however, we want to try to explain that at this point. >> and that object was on that -- in that spot, moved, all is the preponderance of cell phone cameras, the huge number of pictures and photographs of this area. that is clearly the instrumental part of this case right now. >> yeah, that is one difference. the second is that that bombing took place at about 1:10, 1:15 a.m. the main camera was actually on cnn headquarters, pointing down into centennial park. but it was still dark. and once the smoke goes out, it's very difficult to see what's going on. and there's not as many -- the
be it, but over the course of at least an hour. >> that's right. exactly. so now no idea from our sources, in checking with them, the meaning behind this. we don't know whether that's it. >> so, again -- a big believer in putting out there what we do not know. we do not know the meaning of this object. we don't know if it is a bag that is germane to the jegs in any way. we don't know if this was the bag because there had been reports about a black nylon bag. in the photograph, this one does not appear to be a black nylon bag. cameras didn't have the resolution that you have now on your personal smartphones, and smaller cameras. and the fact that it was daylight, which makes the photography that much easier and higher resolution for the amateur photographers, as wells security cameras and media cameras. so that's one aspect. and secondly, in this case, they've had to take a couple days to find the debris and reconstruct the bomb, determine they had pressure cooker or on.ther metal container, what we've got to take a quick break. >> it doesn't look dark in color. who knows, it may very well be one of the many, many thousands of photographs they're looking at and checking more closely. >> in terms of where this investigation goes, obviously they are still -- or from what you're hearing, are they still poring over photographs? there must be so many photographs to go through, and if they have whittled down a time frame or believe they have, you know -- whether a person that they want to talk to, they then i would imagine have to go through, again, all of the firefighters coming out, talking about what they saw and did to help people. they were there when the bombs exploded. i talked to them earlier today, and why they say the boston marathon is going to be back stronger than ever, and they want to be there next year. we'll be right back. i turned 65 last week.
videos and photographs with that person in mind. >> well, clearly, with what they say and the mayor boston confirmed this to me, based on the lord and taylor video, somebody at the second site making what they believe to be the dropping of the device. they know what the explosion took place. and to so then you have a better clue in the hours and hours and frames and frames of the video you have from all these surveillance cameras, television stations, the public is turning in, whether video or still photos, you have a better sense of what time frame you're looking at. will they continue that, of the math of retirement is different today. money has to last longer. i don't want to pour over pie charts all day. i want to travel, and i want the income to do it. ishares incomes etfs. low cost and diversified. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. course they will. one of the curious things, no public word today on different strategies. they have pictures of an individual they want to talk to, even as a person of interest, maybe not sure it's a suspect. do you see sometimes in investigations those things are released to the public and they say try to help us. clearly, they have not done that today. as to why, that's one of the questions you have for investigators. does that mean they have a better -- they don't need the help? we don't know. why wouldn't they do that? there have been in the past some of these things distributed among law enforcement officials. i spoke to a justice department call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
official a short time ago who said that based on the knowledge of that one source in washington who is very involved in the investigation, they were not aware of any distribution to law enforcement agencies, saying be on the lookout for this person or do you recognize this person. but, again, the briefing was scheduled for 1:00, moved to 5:00. then moved to 8:00. now we believe it won't happen at all tonight. why? we don't know. >> all right. from everything you're understanding, though, this -- this movement in the case is something that occurred in the evening hours to today that there has been a change since the last press conference. because the last press conference, there was a lot of talk, they were still reaching out for photographs, reaching out for the public's help. it's in the last 24 hours that this change has occurred. >> having this conversation last night, saying the sources had a very good idea of what had happened, what was in the bomb, how the bomb is constructed, when it happened, the forensics, very proud of their progress in assembling that part of it. the how and what, they were frankly stymied about the who.
overnight, they did say because of the lord and taylor video and supplementary video, they were very optimistic they were making pro on the who front including what i'm told what i'm told is a clear picture somebody they believe to make a drop of the second explosive device at the second site, near ring road, across from the lord and taylor. now, we have that confidence, and clearly the tone of the investigators became more optimistic today. the mayor of boston was quite optimistic in a public interview with me, but he said until the we have seen so many acts of bravery here. we want to show you just a few of those stories now. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: right after the first explosion, before the smoke even clears, it happens. fbi is willing to go public, we have to hold our breath. but clearly the tone had changed. but now tonight we're still waiting for information. >> john king, i appreciate all your reporting. susan candiotti, as well. there are a lot of moving parts, obviously, to this investigation. you know how up and down this has been. joining me now is a very busy man, he's about to come here, the governor of massachusetts, governor deval patrick, he's first responders at the boston marathon rush to help others. they run towards the explosions, not away. >> there's got to be people hurt out there. >> reporter: emergency personnel jump the fences, trying to reach the victims. blood everywhere. limbs gone. lives ruined. untold numbers of volunteers rush in to help the first responders. we may never know all of their names and stories. we only know they selflessly jump in to help save lives and
getting his mic on. we did, as i said, anticipate a press conference at the top of the 8:00 hour. but, again, that was unexpectedly stopped. governor, how are you? >> sorry for the technical difficulty. >> no problems, live television. there is a lot, obviously, going on in this investigation. there is a lot you probably cannot talk about or do not want to publicly talk about, so i'm not going to press you. but i do want to ask, is there anything about the investigation that you can tell people that you want people to know. >> i can tell you and everyone that it's a thorough ease the pain of the wounded in any way they can. dr. vivek shaw had just crossed the finish line when the bombs went off. >> i was running and was only 30 seconds away from me and there were already first responders there helping people. >> reporter: look at this video. see the woman unable to walk and the young girl struggling to carry her on her back? moments later, former new england patriots' offensive lineman, joe andruzzi, who was investigation, very methodical, and they make progress every hour and every day. but it's going to take time. you know, this is a -- this is a crime scene that's several blocks, and they're going through it quarter-inch and square-inch by square-inch. and building a case and following the evidence. and that does take time. >> how difficult -- >> everybody's patience -- >> how difficult is it when you have 30 different agencies, joint terrorism task force, people trying to work together with this enormous crime scene? >> well, it would be -- you used the operative term working watching the race from the finish line, rushes over and picks her up, carrying her to safety. marathon runners still far from the finish line are held back after the blasts. once word spreads about the explosions, many continue their run. this time, heading to the hospital to donate blood. there are so many volunteers, the red cross has to turn them away. sending this tweet. thanks to the generosity of volunteer blood donors, there is currently enough blood on the shelves to meet command.
together. there are a lot of agencies, every conceivable law en forssment asset at the federal, state and local level. but they are working in harmony and collaborating under the leadership of the fbi and it's making a difference. >> have you ever seen a case like this in terms of the complexity of it, the complexity of the crime scene, the multitude of photographs and evidence? >> i think they're probably all different. my experience as a prosecutor is old. it goes back 20 years. and when we did the attacks on demand. >> so many runners who took off their shirts to make makeshift tourniquets. firefighters said they had never seen anything like what happened monday. the finish line turned into a war zone. i spoke with some of them today. i mean, beautiful you've all been on fire and department rescue squads for a long time. how does it compare? >> nothing like that. >> nothing like it. the coarnage, the destruction, o black churches and synagogues in the south at that time, it was the largest federal criminal investigation in history. we didn't have some of the -- some of the investigative tools that are used today in terms of videotape and so forth. but in the sense they were sifting through ash for clues, this is like that. it is very painstaking and it's -- painstaking, takes small steps and time. so we ask for people's patience and understanding. watch it, it was literally like a war zone. >> i've been a paramedic for 15-plus years on top of being a firefighter. and used to dealing with one patient, maybe multiple trauma for that one patient. but there were several, 30 or 40 at a time. major trauma. >> how do you know where to go? what to do? >> training. training taught us. we all collected. got our bearings. we spread out.
>> have you actually gone down to the scene since the bombing? >> it's been a crime scene, so no. they haven't wanted people walking around. >> tell me a little bit about this city and what you have seen in the seconds, the minutes, the hours after these bombings. because, i mean -- i've talked to many runners, i've talked to many first responders. and it just -- it is amazing the amount of people who ran toward the blast. >> isn't it? >> taking off their shirts, tying tourniquets, runners taking off their shirts after darren, he went off like a jet. he looked like -- in the "back to the future 2" planes chasing after him. i said, are you good, he said i'm good. and he went right underneath the fence and went right to work. >> what did you first see? >> the first thing was just standing in a pool of blood when i came from under the fence and you kind of just look around to assess what is going on and who needs help. so i just -- wherever you could, just started applying running 26 miles. >> there have been so many of those kinds of acts of kindness and grace in the immediate aftermath and since. there were stories of people along the race route further up after they stopped the race who came out of their homes and brought runners in to recover from the running, to help them understand what had happened, to connect them with their -- with their families. there have been incredible acts of sort of ultra professionalism by medical professionals in each tourniquets and bandages, whatever ones you could. luckily someone else was out there and they brought in medical bags so we could make some sort of tourniquets. >> i heard runners were taking off their shirts for tourniquets. >> oh, yeah. >> anything. people were -- anybody that was probably in the medical field or police, fire, off duty, people were just flocking to that. runners taking their shirts off, applying them as tourniquets, boston fire, ems and police did a great job, unbelievable job.
of the hospitals. i visited with them. quiet acts of real kindness. and i appreciate your acknowledging that and others acknowledging that and telling those stories, because that's part of our healing, as well. >> you know, there is horror and hate and then in the wake of that, there is compassion and kindness. >> in some ways brings out the best in us. >> you also know the richard family. >> i do. >> martin richard, 8 years old, one of the three lives lost in the blast. >> our city does a great job with -- ever since 9/11 of training us with masteriage. we've been doing multiple drills over and over again. >> how about for you? what was it like being there? >> the training helped. the training helped 100%. they give you a checklist of things to do, and it kept you focused, kept you on your mission. what needed to be accomplished, whatever. >> is there a particular person or particular moment that stays with any of you? >> we had the lieutenant haines everybody who i've talked to in the dorchester neighborhood says they were a pillar of the community. >> they are. >> and that when people think of them, they think of the richards as a unit. like all the individuals as one unit. it is a devastating loss. >> well, you know, bill and denice have been -- the mom and dad, have been active in my campaigns, and i spoke to bill first yesterday. i had a chance to visit with them today in the hospital. i spoke with him yesterday. he reminded me of a photograph he had taken of martin when he and i giving each other a hug at the corner of new berry and exiter. and then we saw that man with the slhrapnel that came out of nowhere and his back was riddled with shrapnel of some sort of and he was on newberry street, the next street over. he was just walking wounded, basically. >> is is there time even to think about it, as a scissor human being? or the training kicks in? >> you shut down and go to work.
was 2 or 3 years old holding a campaign sign for me. so, you know, that whole family -- and that whole community is shattered. but it is a community. and in the sense that we in this city and in this state are a community. and we understand that part of that is turning to each other rather than on each other. and as i say, that's a part of how we heal. >> governor, thank you for taking the time. governor deval patrick. let us know what you think about where this investigation is, what you have been seeing. follow me on twitte did you guys think about anything? >> no. >> it gives you a checklist. >> a terrorist bombing -- >> not until 9:00 that night. >> yeah, it's surreal. you don't process it. >> yeah, not until -- >> shut down. >> not until you watch it on the news afterwards. you hear everybody talking about it. and it's -- you realize, that you were just there. usually after a marathon, we go out and have a beer and burger and great day. nice night. first year in 27 years that i was not able to go have a burger afterwards. >> you want to go back. >> every one of us will be back twitter @andersoncooper. looking at live photos from a memorial gathering nearby, the corner of boylston and berkeley, a few blocks from the bombing site. a makeshift memorial, the kind we have seen spring up so often over the last several years. but each time the emotions are fresh. the emotions are real. and raw. people just wanting to do something. place a memento, place flowers, pause and remember, even for just a few moments. a few seconds, paying their next year. every one of us. if they'll have us, we'll be there. and that's why our sector runs very smoothly because of the crew that i bring in. >> why is that so important for you to be back there next year? >> because it's our thing. it's my thing. i've been doing it for 27 years. the exiter street and boylston street has been mine for almost 22 years. i've been doing medals before that. >> we're not going to let something like that stop. you're not going to let a terrorist act, foreign or
respects. no doubt that will grow in the days ahead. just ahead as governor patrick said, when terror came to boston on monday, boston showed what it is made of. this city is standing tall. heroes were made. not one asked them -- no one asked them to step up to put themselves in danger, but they did what came naturally to them. coming up, the lives they saved. also ahead, more on tonight's breaking news on the ricin investigation, the dramatic hours leading up to the domestic, something like that. we're americans, we're going to step up and step right back into it. you know what i mean? we can't let them -- that's them winning if we don't get back into it. you know what i mean? i would hope the marathon goes on next year and all of the events future from here in boston go on. we're not going to let them win. you know? simple as that. >> lieutenant chris haynes, a sentiment echoed by everybody in this city. nobody is going to let whoever arrest of a suspect. we'll be right back. live from boston. he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at did this win. they're going run this race next year, they're going to be back there next year and the year after that and the year after that. boston is strong, and boston stands tall. we'll be right back. using telemedical and mobile technologies, verizon innovators are connecting trauma surgeons to patients in the field. helping them get the attention they need, before they even reach the hospital. because the world's biggest challenges
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. updating breaking news, an arrest in the ricin case. recapping two letters.
one sent to u.s. senator roger wicker, the other to president obama, each containing the same writing, the same cryptic phrase each tainted with ricin. both being tested in the army's bio warfare research lab at ft. diedrich in maryland. joe johns joining us and dana bash joining us, as well. dana, you've been talking to your sources, getting more information on how all this went down. what have you learned? >> i've learned from a law enforcement official here that they have been actually tracking the man who was arrested for some time, because he had been sending letters to senator wicker, this is not the first time. it had been going on for a while. so i'm told they gave the information that they had -- that they collected. they collected a record on this individual to the fbi, and the fbi was able then to go down to tupelo, mississippi to make this arrest of this individual today. and, again, this is -- this man was arrested in the case of sending what they still believe to be at least initial positive tests of ricin, letters to
senator roger wicker of mississippi and also we learned today president obama. neither of those letters, of course, got to either individual. they were both found at offsite locations where the mail is initially sorted. >> so clearly -- so they knew this guy. they had been following him before, or at least aware of his presence. and that's how they were able to move so quickly. >> so quickly. i mean, you know, when you think about it -- we just found out about this 24 hours ago or so, and that's exactly right. they had already had a record built up of him. they had been following him, monitoring the correspondence he was sending to senator wicker and that's they were able to find him and give the information to the fbi and move so fast. that's exactly right. >> joe in terms of the investigation, where do we stand as to whether or not this is, in fact, the ricin? >> they don't have conclusive results, anderson. the way this works, you do a field test, if you get a hit positive, you send it off to a
lab such as ft. diedrich in maryland. and then they do more careful tests. and as soon as they find out anything conclusive, they release that information. of course, that information is very much wanted on capitol hill, and in other places to find out how serious this is, even though the letter actually didn't get to the capitol. so the point is, they're -- they don't have a conclusive test yet. they don't have conclusive information. it could be 24, it could be 48 hours. one source told me today, it could take as long as a week to make absolutely certain whether this stuff is ricin or not, anderson. >> and dana, is mail still halted -- i know mail had been temporarily halted to the capitol. >> it is. and they're not going to get mail again until monday. this is something that was -- was -- members of the senate and their staff was informed about this by the senate sergeant-at-arms earlier today. i just want to -- as i'm talking
to you, i just got on my e-mail, anderson, another notice that the senate sergeant-at-arms sent out to the entire senate complex. and in it, it was just talking about a lot of the events that have happened. and it included in here something that we heard rumblings. but this is now confirmed. yesterday a man with a gun was captured on the east front of the capitol. a man with a gun was captured on the east front of the capitol. and the reason this is in this notice, it's listing that, of course -- this ricin event and some other suspicious packages that made parts of the capitol complex in lockdown today as a whole bunch of things that showed that the capitol police is on these events. but also to make people -- remind people they need to be aware of their surroundings and to really be vigilant, not just with the mail they get, but everything around them. >> yeah. dana, appreciate that. joe johns, as well. joining me now is 360 md sanjay
gupta. last night we talked about trauma surgery. tonight ricin poisoning. if it's not one thing, it's another. what should we know about ricin? it's -- it's something that occurs in nature. but how is it made? >> you know, we hear about castor oil and that's something that's been around for a long time. you take this from a particular type of plant. and this is a protein from that plant. so you're right. it's something that does occur in nature. but it's very hard to quote, unquote, weaponize. the last time we talked about something like this quite a bit was with anthrax, which is also difficult to weaponize. just to give you an idea, you're talking about trying to make it into spores or particles the size of something that would come out of a asthma inhaler. and even if you make the particles that small, they will stick to each other in an envelope unless you coat them. that's more than you need to know. but the point is, this is not a rudimentary process. people watch the show "breaking bad" will no doubt heard of ricin, because walter white manufacturers it on that.
>> he's a chemist. >> but how unstable a property is it? how dangerous is it to handle it and how does it actually kill somebody or hurt somebody? >> if you inhale it, if you ingest it, those are the two most common ways. so inhaling it again means -- it can take a very small amount. 1/1000 of a graham, but it has to be the size that can reach the airways in your lungs. if you put it in your hands and on your fingers, it will start to be de nature and become unstable. but the idea of touching your tongue and becoming poison, it can happen but unlikely. it would almost be more of a situation of someone actually licking the envelope to seal it shut. that would be more of a risk to them. >> and then is it possible for it to spread to other envelopes? if it's in a bin of mail or something like that? >> it can. it certainly can. but when it starts -- when human hands start touching it, that's what renters it more unstable
and as you disseminate it more and more, it takes very small amounts to be poisonous or a problem, but it would be unlikely to spread that way. i will tell you, it's something we have known about for some time. and the way that ricin works, unlike anthrax, which is a bacteria that has spores, ricin gets into cells and kills the cells directly. in fact, it was one time thought of something that could be used to treat cancer, that's how effective it is in killing cells. but i just think it's unlikely to cause significant problems. >> sanjay, appreciate the reporting on that. good to know. coming up, so many people sustained serious, life-changing injuries in the bombing. i'll speak with a woman whose two brothers each lost legs. and a man with vision loss after getting shrapnel taken out of his head. and so many inspiring stories of heroism in the face of the trauma. we'll look at some of the stories, the kind that really restore your faith in humanity. coming up. [ female announcer ] does your vibrant color
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in the olympic marathon -- >> new video. another perspective, another angle on the destruction at the finish line. the attack in boston has not broken the spirit of this city. not by a long shot. but there is no denying for so many people their lives have been changed forever. the kind of injuries that many are now trying to recover from are hard to imagine. caitl caitlyn nordin joins me, and steve burn. thank you so much for being with
us. first of all, how are your brothers doing? >> they're hanging in there. >> you weren't there, you had come down -- >> i was working in boston thenway. >> where were they in relation to the blast? >> they were at the second bomb, like right on top of it. >> fwns. and steve, how are you doing? you just left the hospital last night. >> glad to be out and compared to how my friends are, it's -- as bad as it is, i can't complain. i was six inches away from being the same way as them, losing limbs and stuff like that. i just was fortunate enough to have the mailbox take most of the impact from the lower half of my body and the rest of the shrapnel, anything above the height of the mailbox is what caught in the face, neck. >> so where were you -- this is in relation to the first explosion. >> we were at the second, yes. and there was -- right where you see the picture where they show the backpack and mailbox, that's exactly where we were. >> so you were -- if you're facing the mailbox, you're to the right of it.
just . >> just to the left of it. they were to the right of it and that's why they suffered --. so the shrapnel that hit you is shrapnel that came over the mailbox? >> bee-bees, nails. my friend had 70 nails in his leg. >> 70 nails. >> 70 nails. and i had bee-bees, still one in my neck the doctors couldn't take out because it's too close to the nerves that control my vision. and most of them in my face came out due to the surgery and stuff like that. and just burns. burnt the clothes right off of us. >> your clothes were burned off. >> burned off of us. undescribable. >> do you remember the blast? >> i remember everything about it. >> really? >> yep. >> can you walk me through? what stands out? >> the first explosion went off, just down the block from us. and -- >> did you know something was wrong then? >> we knew it wasn't something to do with the marathon and we were ready to get going and get out of there. and our friend, jared, said let's get the girls over the
fence. and just as he said that is when the explosion hit. it blew me over the fence into the street and stuff. >> it actually carried you over. >> it carried me over, and the force and the heat and the burn from the chemicals in the bomb were just -- had me on fire and everyone else. and as i came through, just in the days of what was going on, just looking for my friends and stuff like that, and -- it's -- it was just absolute chaos. i saw things that, you know -- i wish i didn't see. people losing limbs and just stuff -- it was bad. >> could you hear anything after the explosion -- i talked to some people who said they couldn't hear anything. they could see people's lips moving -- >> it was like in the movie "the town" when the flash grenade went off and all you could hear is that high-pitch noise. that's all it was. and it's like it was in slow-motion, just seeing what was going on. but half the people ran away and the other half of the people ran to help. so it was -- it was amazing to see the amount of people that stood by to help us out and just -- it was catastrophic, just to know what was going on and not knowing where anyone i
came with -- four out of my five friends lost their limbs. >> four out of your five friends. >> yeah. we're all very close friends. her two brothers. i know the family well. and they're like brothers to me. i love them to death. and i just -- i wish the best to everybody. our friend mark, he lost both of his legs. most likely. >> no. one. >> border line with that. and just pray to god he pulls through and just -- having a great day, and waiting to see our friend cross the finish line and then all of a sudden just it turned in a flash. >> do you know how long your brother is going to have to be in the hospital for? >> one of my brothers is, like, coherent now and talking. he's off the ventilator. the other one is not. >> still on a ventilator. >> yeah. so he's actually in surgery right now. >> and they're in separate hospitals. >> one is at beth israel and one at brigham. >> i understand your brothers keep asking about each ear. >> that's all they're asking. >> how is your family doing? >> surprisingly, my mom is
holding up. and she is a trouper, because i don't know, i couldn't do it. so -- going back and forth. and she wants to be at one and wants to be at the other. and she is doing it, though so -- >> caitlyn, i'm so sorry for what your family is going through. please give our best wishes. and glad you're doing okay. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. >> sorry to hear about all of your friends. >> just hoping that everyone sticks by everybody for the bills. we're all self-employed. and no one -- there's just -- everyone is concerned with the medical bills. and that's -- phenomenal that people are willing to step up and help us with that. but people forget, too, that our friend jerryd is a carpenter, both his hands are incinerated. the bills keep coming in, and stuff. and people don't realize that. it's not just the hospitals, it's everyday life that doesn't stop. >> so how is that working? are you paying your own hospital bills? or is there -- how does that work right now? >> we've heard numerous things from people that, you know, so-and-so will help pay or this will help pay or there's foundations for this. fund raisers have been set up for us for everybody affected,
not just us, but to help with the medical bills. >> especially with those who have lost limbs. i mean, i was talking to a guy with prosthetic devices today. those can cost $50,000. >> people are reaching out, though. >> they are. >> yeah. they have been -- yeah. it's -- support is tremendous. >> yeah. >> we're just hoping that, you know, the mayor, the governor, president obama, that they don't less us as citizens down, the united states of america. we're hard-working people, and in a time of need with a terrorist act on american soil, we're just really hoping our country steps up for us and that they're there and not one person affected by this catastrophic event has to deal with the burdens of financial problems afterward. >> yeah. >> not to mention with the physical things they have to live their life with now. >> sure. we're going to put all of the information on our website for how people can help, and obviously that's going to get more sorted out in the days ahead. so we're going to continue on that, keep on updating that website. >> excellent. thank you very much. appreciate it.
>> careful. stay strong. >> thanks. >> incredible. caitlyn nordin and steve burn. authorities say they have made significant progress in the boston terror investigation. there is a lot they are not sharing, obviously. the question is how much closer are they tonight to cracking the case or where are they on the case coming out? we'll give you the latest information that we have. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. tom, as well.